Log In. Tagged Discussions. Why on earth did Locke blow up the submarine? If he wanted to stay on the Island he was free to choose to do so, he didn't have to destroy the chances of others choosing to leave. It seemed totally unlikely to me and absolutely pointless. Capatilization is ruining the series, they are stretching it out to maximize the number of episodes they can make.
It's all about money. I agree completely. It was a stupid and selfish act. He deprived everyone else of their chance to get home. I agree he didn't have to go back if he didn't want to. There was no point to that act, it was totally disjointed. I don't understand why the writers added it in. Well it seems like you are pretty frustrated with the show. I don't think you are alone either. Many people I know have stopped watching it. I however am enjoying the third season, I think they are finnaly starting to tie up some of the mysteries.
Locke is being interviewed by a government worker about his disability payments. She asks whether he has tried to find his biological father and why he has stopped submitting his therapy bills. He says he stopped therapy because it was a "waste of time," so she suspends the payments, saying the suspension is temporary and he can apply again as soon as he starts his therapy for depression again. There is a knock at his door. A young man introduces himself as Peter Talbot and asks Locke if he knows " Adam Seward ," who claims to be a retired computer entrepreneur from Ontario and who has asked Peter's mother to marry him.
Talbot says Seward used to be known as Anthony Cooper and he was able to trace Locke as the donor of a kidney to Seward. Peter has an uneasy feeling about Seward and wants to find out if he is a good man.
Locke claims it was an anonymous kidney donation and that he cannot help him. He demands that Cooper call off the wedding and leave the state. He tells Cooper that Peter is on to the con and threatens to tell Mrs. Talbot the truth. Cooper tells Locke that he will leave and call off the wedding. They tell Locke they know he came to Locke's apartment. Locke falls 8 stories. Locke goes to Cooper's high rise suite and demands to know if he killed Peter Talbot.
Cooper claims Mrs. Talbot called off the wedding due to the boy's death, leaving him with no angle to make any profit. Cooper pours two glasses of MacCutcheon Scotch whisky, sipping from one. Locke refuses the whisky. Cooper says he's a con man and not a murderer, and Locke can call Mrs.
Talbot and ask her. As Locke reaches for the phone, Cooper lunges and pushes him through the window. He plummets eight stories and lands on his back. Locke is badly injured and hospitalized. The detectives visit him and tell him that Cooper fled to Mexico and disappeared. When they leave, Locke's therapist tries to bring a positive attitude to the deeply depressed Locke. He brings in a wheelchair and carries a resistant and unsettled Locke to it. Locke claims he can't do it, but the therapist responds, "John, you fell eight stories out of a window and survived.
I don't want to hear about what you can't do. The A-Team watches Jack. Juliet joins them and they happily speak. They go to a house and Juliet wheels Ben out in a wheelchair. They talk and Ben shakes hands with Jack. The trio of Kate, Sayid and Locke are confused by Jack's behavior. Locke guesses that Jack must have a good reason for it and suggests waiting until dark before talking to Jack and attempting a rescue.
Sayid notices that Rousseau has left them. That night the rescue party splits up to guard Jack's bungalow as Kate sneaks in. Guards burst in, and Kate is captured and Sayid is dragged in also. When Kate is interrogated by the guards, she lies and does not mention that Locke or Rousseau had accompanied them to the Barracks. Ben's recuperation is interrupted by John Locke. William: John I don't remember asking.
Most people struggle with this at first, but don't worry Locke: Uh I can't do this. William: John, you fell 8 stories and survived, okay. I don't want to hear about what you can't do. Now let's go. It's gonna be alright. Locke: No I don't It's gonna be fine, John I don't think I William sets Locke in the chair and puts his feet on the pedals] William: You're fine. There ya go. There ya go, buddy. Wasn't that bad, was it? I'll be right back, buddy. Don't tell me what I can't do!
Good God, was I bawling my head off during that scene. My husband had the audacity to ask me why I was crying?!?!!?
Have you not noticed that your wife has a teeny obsession with one John Locke?!?!? Benry definitely was stealing the show with all of his snotty replies in this episode. And it was truly amazing to see him not only weasel his way out of getting killed once again, but to also watch him achieve all of the results he had wanted, without having to lift a finger.
He is the master manipulator, as Alex pointed out: Alex: You know he's manipulating you, right? Locke: How's that? Alex: That's what my father does. He manipulates people. He makes you think it's your idea, but it's his. Locke: I'll have to keep that in mind. The scenes in Benry's apartment caused an all-out panic attack on the boards - people were desperate to analyze everything on the walls, everything in the fridge, you name it.
As one poster put it, "I bet the LOST production team had a blast preparing the set for "Ben's room" 'cause they knew we would just go ballistic looking for clues!! It's hard telling what, if anything, from Benry's digs may be important, but here are a few things I will call out: 1 The "map" on the wall is a very common figure of the night sky with mythical figures imposed over all of the constellations Hercules, the Hydra.
Orion, etc. You may recall that Karl mentioned that he and Alex liked to name the stars and look at constellations. Perhaps this is something Benry did with her growing up. Or if those are the "four-toed" people of statue fame. Who is that woman? Is it Juliet?
Juliet's sister? Karen DeGroot? Some random? Does Alex think that picture is her "real mother? And most importantly, why in the hell is that woman holding a rodent? See the close-up for yourself! Here are a few posts from the boards that are about this specific topic: - "Why the hamster? Don't you guys remember what Juliet did? Impregnate a male mouse? I wonder if it has something to do with it Unless he is somehow her son?
Could he be the result of a Dharma experiment? Remember that Juliet was enticed to the island by x-rays of what looks to be a year-old womb and is then told that the subject's only Which means that the body is dramatically older than the person's chronological age. Then remember that Jack said Ben's x-rays were of a man in his 40s.
But I wonder how old Ben really is? I speculate he's actually much younger than he appears. And remember that Mittelos was an anagram for Lost Time The submarine fiasco is now actually my favorite part of the episode, believe it or not. The reason why is because when the show aired, I didn't think twice about Locke blowing up the sub. His flashbacks showed that he had every reason to want to remain on the island - it was obvious that he was much better off, both mentally and physically, AFTER the plane crash.
And he didn't want anyone ELSE leaving the island and possibly alerting the outside world to its existence. Locke blowing up the sub also served to heighten the already-existing tension between Locke and Jack, and it proved that Benry really is incredible at getting his way - now no one could leave the island - but it wasn't his fault, and he didn't have to go back on his word.
And that's all I thought there was to it. My husband and I did have a quick conversation about why Locke appeared to be soaking wet after returning from the submarine when he wasn't wet getting INTO it, but I just brushed it off as inconsequential. But, come on. I should've known better. The vast, vast majority of people on the boards, who are way smarter than I am, thought that that difference in Locke's appearance was key - and that it meant that Locke DID NOT actually blow up the submarine.
Consider this: as Locke leaves Alex and walks down the dock to the submarine, it is clearly shown above water. And he has his pack with the Jesus Stick peeking out of the top. We see Locke in the submarine briefly, and he is still dry. When we see him return, the dock is not clearly shown, and a submarine cannot clearly be seen in the moments before Jack and The Others arrive. Locke no longer has his pack nor the Jesus Stick, and he is soaking wet. Now, remember this exchange with Benry just moments earlier Ben: Thank you.
So, tell me John. How do you expect to pilot our submarine? I mean, it's a complicated piece of machinery. You don't just press "Submerge". For all you know I was a Commander in the Navy. Put your arm around my neck. I'll lift under your knees. Many people noted that Benry had an odd reaction to Locke's comments Now ponder the fact that Locke had a "Special Operations Forces" poster in his apartment.
While most people agree that Locke was probably NOT in any sort of military unit, everyone does agree that he was clearly obsessed with military strategy. Remember him playing Risk in the break room at the box company? His uncanny tracking abilities, his skill with knives? It is quite possible that he learned a lot simply through reading and studying materials.
It's called the Internet, people - you'd be surprised what's out there for public consumption! So the theory is that Locke DID know enough to be able to move the submarine to another nearby location.
He then left the sub and left his pack in the sub , and swam back to the dock. He rigged the very end of the dock with the C-4, and emerged soaking wet. He probably didn't care whether or not someone was there to actually witness the explosion - that was probably just a bonus in his mind.
Here are two posts regarding this theory: - Alex told Locke that Ben wanted the sub blown up, or at least she told him that Ben was manipulating him to do his bidding, that Ben was good at it.
Locke is no dummy, he knew and he was not going to do Ben's bidding for him, so the sub explosion is a hoax. I have seen people talking about it on many message boards. Go to abc. Move the cursor on the bottom to exactly and pause it. There is a shot down the dock. You can clearly see there is no submarine in the background.
It simply is not there before the explosion. Also, the explosion itself is at the end of the dock, not to the left of it. There really is no debating this one. Now let's assume that all of us conspiracy theorists are insane, and that the simplest answer is the correct one - Locke DID blow up the sub. Then the question becomes, could Jack and Juliet really have left anyway? Remember that Benry talked about how the existence of the submarine served to uphold "the illusion" that people could leave if they wanted to.
Was there really no way to leave the island in the first place? To see a series of screenshots from before and after Locke set the explosion, click here. This part of the weekly EW write-up got me thinking: "The focus of this evening's eagerly anticipated outing is John Locke — man of misplaced faith, wannabe Island hero, obsessed Objectivist oddball.
At long last, we will learn what happened in Locke's past that put him in a wheelchair. Perhaps the appearance of The Fountainhead really was meant to be a clue about Locke's motivations. Whether he actually blew up the submarine or not - he is doing what HE thinks is best, consequences be damned. What if I told you that somewhere on this island there's a very large box Ben: Do you remember earlier, John, when you called me a cheater Well get this, there I was shaking hands with Jack and thinking I'd give almost anything to come up with a way to stop him from leaving People would see that.
They would know it. And that, John, would be the end of me. But to kill him And then you came striding out of the jungle, John, to make my dream come true. Locke: You're not gonna start talking about the magic box again are you? Ben: No John. I'm gonna show you what came out of it. Richard then pushes Ben's wheelchair as they walk down the hall] Ben: When I asked you earlier if it hurt when you suffered your injury, I think you misunderstood me.
Seems fairly obvious that when a person's back smashes into a hard surface after being thrown from a building, that that's gonna sting a little. But I really wasn't asking about the physical pain. Locke: What you wanna know if it hurt my feelings? I wanted to know what it felt like when your own father tried to kill you.
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